Mark begins to describe what happened with Stephen in Acts 6:8-15. How can a reasonable person look past that? Hillsong is an international megachurch based in Australia that has exported its influence to major global cities and into churches music across the United States. Love, He genuinely seemed to care. You cant speak in tongues? Applying this mode to spiritual abuse has gotten me thinking..and I wonder if in the future Mark will only hang around people/churches that are willing to stay on this Drama Triangle. @ Bridget: The bible sayz dat soon the darkness is coming when no one will be listening. These Pentecostals keep insisting that almost everything written on the internet about Mark Driscoll isnt even close to the truth. GW also exports as they seemed to pioneer or at least perfect the concept of having pastors write books for personal profit then when the books sell too slowly, they have the main church and all their friend churches purchase the books in bulk to give away to the congregation resulting in transferring thousands of tithe dollars to individual pastors. "A missionary is a qualified Christian sent out under the authority of a local church to an area of recognized need in order to pursue the work of the Great Commission." So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? It is affiliated with Assemblies of God USA. In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, they have something to hide. Its really big in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles I think mainly because they are more predisposed to bad behavior (think TBN and Daystar whackos). @ Lydia: until he apologizes to the elders and church members he hurt so badly i dont think there will be a true repentance that God can use. He had founded the church in 1996. I suppose they could have been made up, although the accounts are supported by numerous descriptions of his pig like behavior. Pastor John Lindell mentioned that Mark and Grace founded Mars Hill Church eighteen years ago. i have met people that have told me that they went to gateway (and other churches that are similar) but no longer do without ever saying why. The question is not, Can he be forgiven? but rather Should he be trusted in a position of power over peoples lives? I would guess that many of the people who have been directly harmed by him have forgiven him. They wear what they believe are trendy shirts typically untucked to cover the middle aged spread with skinny jeans. It was like my eyes were open. I believe that.' Are you not reporting instant healing to keep the confirmed miracle count up? It is all choreographed and it works! I dont equate it with forgiveness at all. His messages change in content, but not in root meaning. All rights reserved. I find it hard to believe he truly didnt know anything before last weekend! They proposed to keep Marc but I had to go. My point with Che is to draw a parallel. Brian Houston, pastor of Hillsong Church, issued a statement over the weekend, which drew considerable media attention. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious? Youll notice the Pentecostals elevating him are in their 50s and 60s. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? When he agreed to accept an $850,000 annual pay package while other staff were being laid off due to declining offerings, was he in a fugue state, incapable of understanding what was going on? He urged Christians living in the city limits of Springfield to vote to repeal the law and to leave church with a Yes-On-Repeal yard sign. In February 2008, less than two months after his promise not to abandon our orphans, we received a letter from Scott Thomas. Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. . The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. Wow! They may have been totally shocked when Mark began to spew his rude, humiliating, oppressive descriptions and warped perceptions of scripture and men and women. I think its much the same thing. @ Lydia: Mark was talking about Mark. He has lots of pics holding impoverished babies while his own 5 kids barely saw him. But we don't know yet for sure. I have also heard the thoroughly abusive interpretation of Psalm 105:15 touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm. But. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? Che was tots adorbs. In July they are promoting Lanes next book to the masses. Whats the worst import/export that youve seen? It is like anyone else that works hard to build something. Are you not reporting instant healing to keep the confirmed miracle count up? what would you say and do (if they stoned you) angry mob is murdering him openly publicly and shamefully. I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. If you take his quotes about his economic policies in Cuba and substitute covenant or biblical Gospel he sounds about the same as the pastors we are discussing. What is tragic is that these events will lead everyone who has two braincells to rub together to come to the following default conclusions: Most people have more sunk into that cult than they do their homes. Even if Houston hadnt properly researched before the demise of MH, surely he must have learned something to have made the decision to downgrade MD from speaker to interviewee. I hope others will join in at places like this blog and help shed light on local megas in their area. I view it as wisdom. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. that young man is in jail, he didnt receive a huge sentence and is receiving a great outpouring of care and compassion from the community. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. Under the circumstances, Mark Driscoll needs a time out, huh? He repeated what he has said in the past: He believes if the issue is to be addressed it should be done at the federal level. It didnt occur to me because I havent seen that modeled in a very long time. You cant speak in tongues? Hillsong church head Brian Houston accused alleged child abuse victim of tempting father, inquiry told, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783128/Hillsong-church-founder-offered-sex-abuse-victim-10000-meeting-McDonalds-restaurant.html. Mr. Petry was fired and ordered to be excommunicated and shunned for his opposing Driscolls move to consolidate power in the church and not have Biblical accountability before the elders. I would think that rehabilitation for him would be finding a job where he was not the boss and not the teacher. *MD and Mark Demoss calculated an irresistible snow job, tailored just for pentecostalworld (who are generally open to things without empirical proof). This weekend GW is also doing Steven Furtick spontaneous baptism which are executed to the letter like Elevation. CCHD has been in contact with the City of Ozark, where the venue is located and where there is a current masking ordinance in place. CAn you see him in some sort of corporate environment working for a woman? the money that was supposed to be going to missionaries in another country had been intertwined with the general fund. James River Assembly hosted a Christmas pageant last December in the midst of the covid pandemic. rather than come in glory he came in humility. I study a lot of the giant DFW megas but most of my data is still filtered through the Gateway lens. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. Your mistake is in assuming that Driscoll was there to deliver a sermon. probably just my opinion, and I overgeneralized. This is not a measure of faith. He screamed and swore. I did disagree, however, with this one sentence. This one was different. Not that I dont admire Saul/Paul. http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/31866. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. For those who follow celebrities, I dont, this is the church that made it into the news last year. Maybe Driscoll can do commercials like John McEnroe, i am against that sort of ministry, that sort of authority over people, that sort of famousness, that sort of using the gospel of Jesus to make money and become well known in christan circles, that sort of using Jesus name for any personal gain, that sort of i have special insight from God and heres how much you have to pay for it in my new book, that sort of quit saying i have to be asking to be forgiven if i hurt people that sort of we are all brethren but i am alpha brethren i dont hold unforgiveness toward mark driscoll but i am not for anyone anywhere doing that sort of ministry. Open Discussion Page. (figuratively)) Later he show us all how it was done. Does it lie with Driscoll/Chandler or does it lie with the people whom they want to trust them? Until Mark repents of his Peasant Princess series along with its cartoon, and his Esther series, and his man stay-at-home man fail rants, the only sermon I will listen to of his and his supporters is John 3:16. Or is it just a GW thing? At that time, although I led Agathos, I was not taking a salary from Agathos. I recently ran into Scott Thomas and asked him about his promise to never abandon our orphans. He was no longer at Mars Hill Church and was himself suffering a level of abuse from the Mars Hill Church leadership. Thats why I would use a better example: If you knew that someone is a recovering alcoholic, would you employ him as a barkeeper? Then he stated emphatically: Now let me just say this to you today cause I have no apology for Mark being there; Im glad Marks here. Mark is playing the victim. And these leaders present themselves as one thing but are deceiving people the entire time. In a March 15 sermon, Lindell urged congregants to repeal Springfield's sexual orientation and gender identity law on April 7. No. To learn more, visit ja. http://www.mercyministries.org/, though she scrubbed some posts referring to her involvement when it was hillsong ministries mercy ministries there are still a few unscrubs left here and there. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. . I knew I was being set up when I watched MDs embedded church video posted here at TWW. I believe they were simply behaving as their normal selves. Do my eyes deceive me? Sometimes life circumstances have to kind of help people do the right thing. No one has to agree with me. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. This guy has lists on his page in bulleted form: this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. The prophets in that verse are likewise OT prophets and also refers only to physical harm. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. I know that tens of thousands left GW before I did and they walked away without the decency to help others. They stay in and around the very thing that ruined them in the first place. when mercy ministries was investigated at hillsong amazingly the leader Nancy Acorn opened up shop in the u.s. and has many supporters among the christian circuit As I was getting ready for church last Sunday morning, I quickly checked my Facebook feed for any news and saw the this headline (see screen shot below): I 'shared' the article from an Australian news source, along with a comment: "Mark Driscoll needs to step away from the microphone for a long season of contemplation.". If there is one thing I know it is that those around Acts 29 circles are now in Mark who? I'm not sure I find that expansion of "serious sin" cheating? HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, i tweeted: As I listened, I couldn't help but wonder where things stand between Mark and those he threw under the bus. The guests are members and attendees (because many regulars never joined). Maybe that offends me and not you because I believe he lied all along about Jesus Christ and I am hoping to convince people of that? They use lots of hair gel and work on their golf tans. notable pastors have been pouring into his life. mark chose to step down not mark was removed. I understand exactly how you feel if that helps. It is deceiving men so they will be more inclined to pay those 500+ employees their hundred thousand dollar pay packages. The following excerpt from that article caught my attention: "I do not want unnecessary distractions during our conference, particularly as this 30 minute interview was only a small part of this five day event," Mr Houston said in a statement. For mr. driscoll to change the whole meaning of this into the sponge was probably really used as toilet paper because he did some study in some far away country is to bring doubt to Gods prophecies and the fulfilment of them. http://www.smh.com.au/national/hillsong-conference-shows-interview-with-controversial-us-pastor-mark-driscoll-20150630-gi1y6d.html, As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll. Rejection by churches or others in christian authority has actually resulted in the Lord comforting and building me up (in spite of my flaws) instead of causing me to doubt my salvation, He has used these things to show me how much He loves me, personally. If there is one thing I think is missing from the entire narrative of interpreting scripture it is the theme of wisdom running through it from Genesis on. During this pandemic, we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and. I never saw it tried in a church setting, but something like that was tried where I worked. Every week seems to get more strange and more openly cult like. I present to you James River church in Springfield Missouri this past weekend. Even setting aside his vulgarity, what of his abusiveness, his corruption? If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. However, you are on to something with the radical chic concept. By and large, our local churches have been great examples of staying emotionally connected while protecting one another in this pandemicthis example does not do those congregations justice., I stg we're the dumbest country in world. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. It was like my eyes were open. Jesus Church or 501(c)3 Religious business? In attempting to keep us from leaving they recruited the largest donor to Agathos (who was also a large donor to Mars Hill Church) to encourage us to stay. Its much harder to leave that way. That was not my intention. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. or barred from the league for having too many technichal fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct and yelling at the referees for too many seasons. We are believing this 5-day event will change your life! Where are all the former higly paid speaking gigs that were constant and kept his calendar full with travel? Or alcoholics working in a bar. (the homes), just a few helpful links re: hillsong lol, http://www.news.com.au/national/hillsong-church-linked-to-abuse-claims/story-e6frfkp9-1111115815321. So, I read what he wrote, I listened to his speeches, sermons, etc. I think it underestimates those believers in the pews who are, themselves, filled with the Spirit and do exhibit the fruit of Galations 5. (KY3) - OZARK, Mo. Whats MDs explanation for the ritual shunnings? For the Christmas services, additional services were added to further provide for social distancing. Some are stronger and more capable of speaking out and as we feel able to I believe that we must. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. Are you not voting? It so important, huh, that we share that Jesus came to save us from sin, and to give us His life. Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. This can be anything from praying for people over the phone to working in the Online Campus studio. I acknowledge that one persons terrorist can be another persons freedom fighter. See here: As you all know, my family and I have been facing difficult trials and persecution. If any blogger made such a vague blanket statement as this theyd be called out immediately. Or is it just a GW thing? I would argue the reverse. He needs to clean up the mess that he made. Gramp3 and I were recalling today the first time we ever heard Driscolls name brought up in a church. Any of all of that may be true. When you add atmosphere teams to further manipulate peoples worship experience that is too much. The Lord had more to say about gall through His servant Jeremiah: Jeremiah 23:13-17 Join us LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm and 7pm! In a statement to the Ozarks Independent, James River Church said it has taken temperatures at the door, sanitized its children's areas and common areas multiple times per day, provided masks. Kids will experience life-giving messages and TONS of fun as they watch content created just for them. Years ago, he spoke from the pulpit against the expansion of casino gambling in Missouri. When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. . Lindell doesnt have a real active blog, his third from last entry is titled: However, with such a massive back door spanning 15 years, I still think more exiles should be speaking up for the good of the current and future naives. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit.
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