The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? The Glock fails on both counts. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Kyle . At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. LOL! Thats SIGs term for a recall. 3. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. Either the gun is defective or its not. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. You have entered an incorrect email address! Seems a bit apologetic to me. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Nope. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. Plastic crap! As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! ALL OF THEM. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Sep 20, 2021 613 571 Idaho. It has been flawless so far. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. Bravo. 3. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? how do I get one for my P320? Great job, this threat needed some levity! Was it his fault? They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. He likens it to a bow-and-arrow, pulled taut. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. That focus drifts. Time will tell if no. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. I sold that pistol when I got it back. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? And thats just my opinion. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. Canadian soldier. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Who knows. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. The sheriff's office said its investigation found no mechanical problems with its deputy's gun. As they should. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. I have no idea. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. They didnt have to, but did. Folks disagree on brands. The details are not out yet, but they use Glocks, and I will make a good bet that her trigger finger did the deed. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. I dont own a P320. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. Excellent work. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. Companies stay silent On Thursday, M.D. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. congrats. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. The new guy sucks. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces.
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