Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? Verejnoprospen prce. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. (they lived up the pen at No. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). Fond memories include falling in the Elder Park pond and breaking my collar bone, trying to do the fish and chips, building gang huts in the air-raid shelters and raking the middens. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. Canmore ID 315779. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 . Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Not Now. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Ai uitat contul? 103m Big Mouth . Govan feels vibrant again. I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. Redevelopment was never completed and the combined effects of poor building specifications, and carelessness in the design of the surrounding spaces were becoming embarrassingly apparent. It was incorporated into the City of Glasgow in 1912.[5]. As for Billie Cameron, she now lives in Montreal, her sister Isa was a war bride and came to Canada in 1948 to be with her Canadian husband and lives north of Toronto in Collingwood. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. My husband also comes from Govan. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. Related Pages. The manager was a man called Jackie. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. And increase their/your revenues. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. Will they be full participants at setting the agenda for their locals or are these just pie crust promises?11 Will the same old story of the past three decades resurface where members of local communities are merely informed or consulted about changes in which they have no say?12 Perhaps one of the worst errors that the new regeneration policy is now making is that of ignoring the potential of local housing organisations as important instruments for inclusion and social capital, and their spill over effects of wider social and economic developments and issues. Community service. In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. : Gwovan[3]? The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. Editors' Code of Practice. Without a home, mankind has no place. Anyway gabgabgab, lots more if anyone is interested. A Gannett Company. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. Replies. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. Sources In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's 5 He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. Sad to see Govan now but many happy memories. We also have a great selection of craft beers! We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. If I could I would have bought many! When the sirens went for everyone to go to their shelters, our grandfather had to come and help her take us to St. Anthony's school (our shelter). We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. My cousin disappeared, the policeman went into the steamie and came out with a bucket of soapy water and a cloth to wipe it off. Media/news company. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. Servicii comunitare. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. Interest. Went to St. Gerards School from January 1959 to December 1962. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. They also told police that the same man would rent out a larger car about once a month. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. Lived there all the way through the 70's until we moved to Cardonald in 1980. However, the local paper still remained hostile, hypocritical, and unhelpful about the whole idea. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. My husband and I ended up going into the USA. When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. The partnership works by: I went to St. Margaret's and I remember Susan's shop where she would stand outside to see where people where buying their messages from. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. He had a broken leg, but we cuddled and comforted him until someone with a car was found, hours later, to get him to the vets. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. Bishop King. The School that was situated at the end of Cowie Street was the "Wee Lamby" or Lambhill Junior Primary. Dry Docks Cafe. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Egg And Chip' 11/2. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. Glorious Govan. Nobody like them in the World. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. 110m Govan Road Campus . Again, as in the cast of the Gorbals, little was done to remedy the situation until the individual agencies within the local communities combined their power to get something done. Renton, WA 98058. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. Great times. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. Then the place just went to pot. First of all, they invited local and international designers to attend a three day team design effort to come up with imaginative projects that would redress the problems they had in their 3-storey, concrete block houses.7, The group then lobbied the City Council, the Scottish Office and finally Westminster, until they were eventually given the go-ahead to revamp one of the old blocks of 6 houses into model they desired. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. 199310 Scottish Charity No. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Government organisation. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. Wine Quality 4/4. They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. Log In. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Introduction Now offering wine & beer by the glass! Almost went to St Anthony's primary. Conecteaz-te. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 Lots of memories too many to say here. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. 'The. Maureen Doyle was my name then. Nestled among the quaint streets I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. [16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. we were easy pleased in those days. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion Govan is home to the Scottish Junior football team Benburb F.C. Community organisation. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. Good memories. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. For about a decade that shop stood empty and it broke my heart. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. 114m Nailsby Taylor . 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. I was born in Govan in 1941. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. Govan (/ v n / GUV-n; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland.It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick.Historically it was I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse.
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