Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. The case was eventually abandoned. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Sad discovery. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. I hope she rots in hell. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. The women testified last week. Look into it. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". You people are fighting a losing cause! Oh my God. Conflicting versions. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. Ms. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. I do. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. More hairs there. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. Have a tip we should know? Claps! Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. And I have absolutely no sympathy. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Jerry Browns office. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. I dont think so. Not sure why anyone is defending her. There are innocent people in prison. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Have a tip or story idea? Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Very similar. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Dial-a-problem. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Until next time, cheers. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. How is it that these women are paroled? Keep up your delusions. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. I expect she will admit it one day. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. What a lame article. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Locked up. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Jealousy was the motive. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Puny policy. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Cop defends accused. The District Attorney got this one right. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. It's been a long three years for them.". Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together.
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