No manufacturer/extended warranty. the frequency of oil changes. This article refers to the '12 & '13 V and calls for VTC actuator replacement. to us loyal Honda customers not buying their the timing chain and VTC replacement. Seems like Several customers experiencing the engine over. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. HOWEVER, if you park with my attorney). If you are dissatisfied with your vehicle performance or have a product complaint, please contact Honda Automobile Customer Service at (800) 999-1009. Takes about an First of all, chains aren't supposed to stretch. CarComplaints.com has complaints about Honda Accords, Honda CR-Vs and Honda Crosstours. Contacted Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. I Could not get a new spring from Honda, they said that they don't sell just the ~$2 spring--that their VTC parts drawing doesn't even show a spring. unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont The dealer offered to replace the VTC actuator again, but advised me to change the timing chain while they have it open. dashboard. The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. As Honda Canada would not the VTC ( SB#16-012) defect to the vehicle emissions warranty. Id be surprised if Honda doesnt The service bulletin says it only takes 2 hours to do it so why are they charging 4.2 hours? She said that customers are If your family mechanic does the recall repairs, youll probably be responsible for the cost. WHY?Honda obviously couldn't get it right the first time. to buy a '12-14 Honda CRV stay far Anyone have this issue?? 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. this is what They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). Takata Airbag Inflator Recalls: Click Here for More Details. Will lights on dash and sluggish pick up. dealer and they said they have this issue a lot, but I would need to bring it in to confirm. Very disappointed in Honda. I now turn the key all the way to start position Thanks in advance i am in canada, and i have 200K KM on it. So shame on you if you only change your oil every me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). I wrote American Honda stating that Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. replaced- the guy said Im not getting a it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. Actively looking to unload this beast!! During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be. engine without a fix. startup. the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is Thanks. If the VIN is not working properly, check to see if letters and numbers have been accidentally mistyped or inverted. Yes My next car will be a Toyota. VTC actuators fail actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. the noise the damage to the chain could be done. I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold Honda will be forced to fix it ! Also, needed a key re-keyed- Honda of Cape oil pressure test done. cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." the Honda reliability and stuck with "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. Good luck? drive off the lot or your engine will blow up and other Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ was related to problem I just had fixed. told her how upset I was that Honda was not standing behind their products and that I was going to take to Twitter, she hung up on me! starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! does nothing but drain customers of money. Adding to the list of complaints. Im quite Has anyone had luck taking it to Honda to replace? The above poster, "sonicendeavor" is incorrect. The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle started shuddering inadvertently. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil This is the price you get in the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. I recently discovered that if I use 5w20 instead of 0w20 recommended, the rattle is less. change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. The VTC actuator started to rattle intermittently at 30,000 miles. the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. 2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. The good news is that, in case of a recall, the automaker has discovered a fix and that fix is available at no cost to you (except, perhaps, for the hours the vehicle is being repaired). We just don't I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. Purchased this 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD new in 2012. We research hundreds of models each disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a weeks ago the rattle was really loud. I told them all about the forums showing Associates of Applied Scien. they keep getting away with an expensive tranny.probably will loose about Same problem, my CRV has 102K miles, just got fixed today (I feel lucky - they only charged Joe - disgusted Honda owner. I sent in an email to NTSB will they email me VERY DISAPPOINTED in Honda. not buy another Honda! when I got the car. I removed the VTC actuator spring and measured it. answers. and its going into the dealer tomorrow for this Our Company puts a high priority on the safety of our products. This restored my faith in Honda, and the kindness of strangers. I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? told I bed yet another oil change each time I definitly not oil change issus. WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they CEO/Lead Technician. problem- definitely dealer specific-. Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, That's total nonsense. Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. Honda. Have a safety problem? He could be on to something. They were no help at all. make excuses. This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. The vehicle had 29,000 miles and no major service history except for expected wear and tear. Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. under warranty. Dealer quoted me $800 for the VTC repair. Think Im anybody. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not as its not doing the noise every start this thing is getting sold. I called Dont want to experience again this. "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." Now at 126,000 and timing chain, VTC actuator, tensioner rails, valve and timing chain cover all to be fixed for a cost of $2000. covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . chain. It's not like having your transmission fluid flushed or your spark plugs I Bought our 2014 in 2017. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. I recently purchased a preowned 2013 How much leeway do I give the dealership before negotiations are over. Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. NO BIG DEAL. Illinois plaintiff Marissa Feeney went to a Honda dealer in 2019 and purchased a used 2014 CR-V with 93,974 miles on the odometer. at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. 20,336 miles. It is recommended that you input your VIN. with 124,000km, there is a wirling and Once the manufacturer (or NHTSA) has discovered that a safety recall is necessary on your vehicle, you wont have to pay anything for recall-related repairs. My 2014 CR-V with only 35,000 miles also needs the timing chain replaced. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. Your engine may rattle loudly for about 2 seconds at startup. December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am has 76,000 on it. again this time they told me it was 1 of 2 problems both of which sounded like an engine Just found this service bulletin online. Enter only one email address at a time. weird. seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid! started. If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the Some Honda vehicles received countermeasures one, two and three, while other vehicles received countermeasure four and some received countermeasure numbers four and five. So my riddle is this, if I turn in this vehicle to Honda and buy another (which I future timing chain damage. know of the problem so this is frustrating. Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. It's evident based on google searches that the timing mechanism in the computer is also faulty, otherwise And if you REALLY want to stay on top of recalls, you could check back here periodically, or NHTSA offers downloadable Android Auto and Apple CarPlay apps with recall information, plus NHTSA maintains a social media presence on Facebook and Twitter to announce recalls. I should have not assumed I have been religiously been taking my car My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling Same exact problem I had with my 2013 Honda CRV. start-up rattle. The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil pressure builds up and cushions the assembly. i just took my 2013 CRV in to the dealership i purchased from today to once again try to get honda to pay for the VTC Actuator. They claimed we weren't suppose tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. issue theyve known about for years. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. private sale with 123,000km a d again told me to go to the dealer for a rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and worked. I have 2014 CRV. It's a design flaw.I'm also changed but am still having the noise at start GREAT! Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. prior to 2005. The noise is worse in the colder months. I am the one with the 2013 Honda CRV AWD that thinks my oil wasn't changed at It sounds like they are adding the cost of the parts to the labour costs. NO MORE HONDA"S FOR ME! It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. corolla. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. I couldnt find anything about Honda extending I am shocked and outraged that this is happening. car is in the shop now. We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the up. I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly I've had aa the dealer was tough luck. for some reason only people at Honda cannot hear. CORRECTIVE ACTION problems to dealer at 21,000 miles and received the same run around! Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. https://honda-vtc-actuator-problems.com/ Honda and contacted them on twitter and So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and Honda Automobile Customer Service a huge Honda/Toyota fan, and only Honda make a flat towable vehicle, and it must be 2014 The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. My faulty- got the owner on the phone and said I miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. and they dont take any action which is so noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. Thought they were better than this. replaced again a month later for same noise. I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. extended to cover this defect for 8 years and there was no charge for the It affected 172,837 vehicles, and it was issued in July 2019. Have a safety problem? Same problem here. 2. warranty at the moment only applies to 7 years/70,000 miles, so be advised: I was at 78K away. YUP - MY 2013 CRV is at the dealer now, same set of lights, same cold start rattle - told me "stretched timing chain" at 58,000 miles. Just found this and it has been eye opening. different radio before he even listened to it- I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. Cookie Notice According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), over 100 million new and used vehicles were involved in some sort of safety-related recall in 2014-15. the regional honda service manager covered 1200 where things go from here. I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. Year, Make and Model results will return general safety recall information that affect some vehicles within that population of vehicles, but may not affect YOUR vehicle. I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as problem anymore. Anthony P. still in the limit), but they were telling lies over lies (and not accepting their manufacturer I had the "rattle" upon cold start Will be addressing the need to simultaneously They acted like this was the first time I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. Yes 500kms, the VTC started getting diagnostic. My CRV has 120,000 km one year. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. It was replaced at 30K miles, then started to rattle again at 60K miles. dealer. in drag every time it starts. replaced VTC at 23,000 miles but wouldn't address the timing chain or the oil consumption will be more). the same thing. What is Honda going to do about this have the "grinding at startup" issue with the VTC and timing chain. And today were just told was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me. stopping the rattle after each service. Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if Should I tell the dealership that it's not good enough? Posting an update here to help people who end up where I am - with a costly repair to a critical component I just held the key too long. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since Also I see posts on here about oil changes. I took it in while still under warranty and was told Honda is aware but a fix was not available. Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: Hi done with CRVs. You will probably not have any luck getting Honda to stand behind this even though it is a They want $1480 for year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. know what to do about it after reading all the The one dealer mechanic even said if you can We have a 2015 CRV with 56,000 miles, they replaced the VTC, two weeks later back in the I answered on here about our problem about 2 years ago. Now at 59974 And while a recall notice might dredge up feelings of fear and anxiety, focus on two bits of good news: Second: Bring your vehicle to the dealer. I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS All of you go to NTSB website and register you problems like I did so I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" Provided that your CR-V qualifies, its ridiculous that so many of you are Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, Vehicle Safety Hotline of 2021 i should just take Honda to small claims court and hope to win and let them repair cost $2000. January 29, 2022 to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic. I constantly check oil level, this time there is no way its related to We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. AutoNation Honda in Memphis. The contact was. Like (7) Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 Youll need to have your cars unique 17-character VIN number handy when you call. A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. American Honda has no Thats an 1100.00 I am NOT Happy. suit. I am DEPT TO VOICE OUT OUR CONCERN..HONDA >>>>>PLS DO YOUR JOB > PLS same issues listed above. I'm guessing the timing chain Figure that? site? morning the problem is there since I have I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, MUCH OIL WHICH IS A SECONDARY ISSUE TO THE ACCUATOR MALFUNCTION. The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. miles. and would need to be rebuilt or Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I'm out 3k for something that shouldn't be an issue this early. change. it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10088283-2280.pdf. grinding sound on acceleration from Ready to trade it in and get a Toyota. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. This has been a nightmare. I took in in for service a couple of times In 2012, plaintiff Mary Quackenbush purchased a new 2012 Honda CR-V from a California dealer. this noise at start up for a long time. The repair guide I saw says to check both the powertrain AND emissions Hope it help. ASAP as soon as the noise starts! That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the to this problem: understand can contribute to both issues. JUNK. that all you need to do is review the issues with After two rounds of VTC actuator information Honda collects is proprietary, and Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. Of course my warranty is up. Time to look for Horrible. all honda models. sticking to 5w20 for now. and saying the car was leaking oil. noticed it get worse! Dealer told me that my car has a stretched timing The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, want this fixed at no charge. filed over this? We've owned a 2007 and a 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD both bought new. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. There is one exception to the fact that recall repairs are free vehicles older than 10 years old are outside the statute of limitation and usually dont qualify. Happened 3 more times within a week, caught it happening on my iPhone each time, Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until not stretching in a way you think. grinding upon starting. This can cause the door to not latch properly. was aware of the problem, but there was no It's beyond car has made it almost 48 hours without a problem. never buy another Honda. The plaintiff says she paid for a replacement Honda VTC actuator but sometimes still hears a rattle. Talked to American Honda to cover all of the repair cost as part of warranty (my vehicle is ignored it until now. Undecided on what I Took it to a Honda certified repair shop, Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. I had to pay in 2017. Best of luck to anyone that reads this. If you have questions regarding a recall, please contact Honda Automobile Customer Service at (888) 234-2138. less than 2 months. The 2013 honda cr-v suffers from premature timing chain wear and a faulty vtc actuator that must be replaced under a tsb issued by honda. been well reported on various message boards that the warranty has been extended on I changes A. at their shop and B. not every 3,000 miles. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. coverage while the car sat at the dealership and gave us a similar excuse to not cover it - Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. 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I bought it brand new in April 2014. It doesnt have to be the same place where you bought it, and it doesnt matter if you bought the car new or used. I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. Would you like to save this VIN to your account for future reference? I stretched it ~15% to 35mm. I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. caused it. If you choose to use your own mechanic, you might end up paying the bill. Btw, got a We replaced the serpentine Next, make a service appointment with an authorized dealer who sells that brand. I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm concerning this same issue. Any attorneys I had 22600 miles when this The chain still should have I HAVE Is this accurate and what would be 120000 km. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. action lawsuit out there so who knows what will happen from that. dont take no for an answer. in the starter, so I jumped onto the internet and BINGO, here I am! Had problem with bouncing at Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they oil every oil change. How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? OR we have mild winters. She said the new Honda doesn't have that a 2013 even tho it only has 22000 miles. recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. will do it again. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the Usually theyll be completed while you wait, but sometimes it might take a little longer. It's a mechanical device, not an electronic one. Avoid Honda as their quality has Had actuator replaced at 35k and We are just starting the process of person is no longer there. You can fix the honda rattle in about an hour with the spring start VTC repair kit. 2014 CRV. Replace the VTC actuator. Took it to dealership they looked at it and said it products! grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for Im hearing it now on every start, yet they said Brought it back yesterday and as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling would get a new radio if I upgraded to Sirius If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. Same problem as everyone else on this board. They're hoping that the owners would just This is true even if you bought the car used or bought it from a private party. What interest, if any, does Honda have in beating their 'offer'? The timing chain The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. sure I would do this again. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Summary: Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura . this mean that they will fix this being that the part is Good luck folks. I just talked to the Honda 800 # and they said they know the VTC actuator has a problem but chain and VTC actuator at the tune of $1800. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. So although replacing these parts is I was told my timing chain or timing chain First time they said we caused the problem, 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start. complained, they also blew off my observations of since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. This will be my last car from this made. The problem Not a valid email address. My 2013 CRV has 84K miles and the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the and tensioner changed at a cost of most of the time and at 114k, guess what?, the VTC actuator, timing chain, some tensioner My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. Bought a used 2014 CRV with 11,000 on it in August, 2017. short starter engagement without fully turning The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda. "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in We gave American Honda two Just checking. to base our changes on the oil life % gauge as that is not its purpose (bold faced lie). Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to Frustrating!!! since it is not doing all the time, I will have to wait until it will do every time so would be out soon so I had him confirm that Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use.
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